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Craftsman Lathe Model Number 109-21270 This is the Model Number of your lathe. It will be found on a plate located on the tailstock end of the lathe. Always mention the Model Number when communicating with us regarding your lathe or when ordering parts. HOW TO ORDER REPAIR PARTS All parts listed herein may be ordered through Sears, Roebuck and Co. Jan 16, 2011 manuals and many parts from. Here you go Craftsman Metal Lathe Model # 109.2063 Built from 1941 thru to 1947 Built by Double A Products Company. Links about as follows.
And proceeds to hand me a well preserved 1949 model 109.21270 also known as the Craftsman 80 lathe.' Jawdrop: it was manufactured by the Dunlap Corporation for Sears & Roebuck Co.(correction - Mfg by Double A Products- thanks CluelessNewB) the model was made for only one year come to find out. It came with a 1/4 hp 1725 rpm 115v a/c motor. I purchased a Craftsman Model 109.20630 lathe at a local auction with plenty of tooling, although the 3 jaw chuck doesn't go to this lathe, I have a complete set of gears and several nice items that you don't usually find with a set like this. Rachael yamagata happenstance. For a small parts turning lathe for gunsmithing it will fit in very well.
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Craftsman 109 lathe. Bias or Fact?
I understand that the Craftsman 109 series of lathes is pretty much derided as a paperweight or ridiculed for being weak around here. I will not argue that it should be considered a 'professional' lathe, but I would like to discuss its merits.
When I did a search for 'Craftsman 109 lathe' I got one hit in the Antique Machinery and History section. One person who posted mentioned that the gears are zinc. I would argue that those zinc gears are much stronger when used on a properly sized work piece than the plastic gears that come with a similarly sized new Chinese lathe.
I had one of the 7' Chinese lathes 7' x 10' Precision Mini Lathe - Stationary Milling & Drilling - Garage & Shop for about week and found that the gears strip at the slightest loads. When I asked about brass or metal replacement gears for that lathe I was almost laughed at by the dealer. I called around to ask the price of having those gears made in brass by casting and/or machining to find that the cost would have tripled the original price of the 'cheap' hobby lathe.
I purchased a Craftsman Model 109.20630 lathe at a local auction with plenty of tooling, although the 3 jaw chuck doesn't go to this lathe, I have a complete set of gears and several nice items that you don't usually find with a set like this. For a small parts turning lathe for gunsmithing it will fit in very well.
I think that it is the sign of a poor craftsman when they can't work within a tools limits. These lathes are never going to be made again and they have a place as an historic item. I don't place them in the same league as Southbend or Logan, but I will not dismiss them as scrap.
Next thread I'll see if anyone can help me identify a truly antique piece I picked up at the same auction.Last edited by RustnPits; 11-27-2010 at 05:10 PM. Reason: Added picture
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My father bought me one of those lathes new for $49.95 from Sears in 1954. Mine had the fancy aluminum sheet wrapped around the headstock. It was my first metal lathe and I learned a lot from using it. Nothing wrong with those die cast gears, which were also used in the 6, 10 and 12 inch Atlas and Sears 101 lathes. But I did bend that tiny headstock spindle while learning the tool's limits. Installing the new spindle was my first lesson in machine repair. It was in 1965 that I finally had the money and space to switch to a Sears/Atlas 12' lathe built in 1945. That was a huge step up. Finally I had dials with .001' graduations on my lathe. No more guessing how much to turn an ungraduated 24 TPI feed screw. A couple of times since those days I could have bought another 109 for practically nothing and was wise enough to let someone else gain that experience. Happy turning.
If you want a chuck that fits the 109, look at Sherline, which have the same 1/2-20 spindle thread. For that matter, Sherline has graduated dials on their lathes.
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Here is a view of the gent that owns the forum. Although he specifically placed this notice to make folks aware of what could and could not be listed in the Commericial section, it gives a fine idea of the opinion he holds on these items. You can boost them if you like in this Antique section, but don't be surprised if he has something to say about that by and by.
http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb.d-here-212075/
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RustnPits:johnoder, I saw that post as the for sale section was one of the first sections I visited. Basically I want to discuss the merits of this machine and see if people are biased against it for personal reasons or if there is something that has been proven to be significantly mechanically deficient about the design or materials. He also mentioned that other machines should be posted in their areas of interest.
Here is a view of the gent that owns the forum. Although he specifically placed this notice to make folks aware of what could and could not be listed in the Commericial section, it gives a fine idea of the opinion he holds on these items. You can boost them if you like in this Antique section, but don't be surprised if he has something to say about that by and by.
http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb.d-here-212075/
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L Vanice, I'm glad that someone has memories of using these machines when they were new. Using the inflation calculator at Inflation Calculator Find US Dollar's Value from 1913-2010 the Craftsman 109 lathe would sell for $406.12 or more likely, much more, since American made products are harder to find. That is, if this style of machine could even survive the safety requirements necessary to be produced in the U.S.
I'm not trying to boost the popularity of these machines. That's about as likely as my convincing everyone here to drink Miller Lite beer. (Not my choice either) I want people to think about the abilities of a machine for what it was made to do. Otherwise I can say that a 14'x40' lathe of a particular make is a piece of junk just because I couldn't turn an axel for an 0-8-4 locomotive or something similarly large on that lathe.
Maybe someone else will step up and say how much they enjoy using these and other small lathes from America's past.Last edited by RustnPits; 11-27-2010 at 08:20 PM. Reason: Clarity
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Just because it says made in the USA does not mean it was made well, those lathes are a good example they are nearly useless for anything , heck I dont know what I would do with one I pass them by at garage sales.
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If you have one, feel free to play with it. NEVER pay more than $0.10/ lb for it unless you plan to take the time and effort to part it out. It belongs in the recycling center. Its bigger 6' and 10' cousin from Atlas run $100-$300 and they can be used to make stuff with but since you live in Vermont you can also get a small antique lathe for $100 or less within a few weeks of looking. There was one on Backpages for $100 this Friday. Keep looking on the western Mass and Conn Craigslists. You might have to take a road trip but gas is cheap.
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Sorry I can't say that the Craftsman lathe I owned with pot metal gears was a joy to use.It was better than no lathe at all.In the toy light hobby arena they are ok.There is no comparison between them and the small Summit lathe and the Shaublin 102-80 I own now.Kinda like comparing a Chevy Vega with a Corvette.
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Those are fun lathes, for a while. They are VERY good platforms for learning
machine rebuilding and hand-scraping, as the parts are small and easy to
handle.
They are severely limited for the following reasons:
1) biggest problem, no graduated dial on the crossfeed screw! If you want
to use this machine, fit an acme threaded screw and dial to it. It can be done,
I did it with an assembly from a southbend compound slide. It barely fits.
2) the spindle is pretty weak. Go easy and do NOT crash this machine as it
will bend the small half inch spindle. Most of these come with several pre-bent
'spare' spindles BTW. The one I owned was re-fitted with oilite bearings and
a larger diameter spindle.
3) the planetary back gears, not the best. But they work after a fashion.
4) no power feeds in either axis. No QC gearbox. But many small lathes have
these problems.
Now for the good:
1) small, they fit into tight spots.
2) small, easily portable.
3) small, non-intimidating.
It's a fun machine. Enjoy it and learn while you do. When you've used it for
a while you will understand better what features you really desire in a lathe, and
will be better off for it. The AA lathe (these were made by AA products and
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RustnPits,
Perhaps the simplist way to explain the sentiments of the vast majority on these forums, from Milacron on down, is to draw your attention to the name of this website:
www.PRACTICALmachinist.com
The first word after the internet identifier, is of course PRACTICAL.
In no way, shape, form, or wildest stretch of imagination, is a Craftsman lathe PRACTICAL.
Will a Craftsman lathe make a chip? Yup, but that is about all. Personally, I have never run one in all my 30 plus years being a machinist and toolmaker, but I have seen them, and have been righteously dismayed by their extremely poor quality.
Milacron, and most of the others here, have a decided taste for the technologically advanced, and the high-quality heavy iron. This is fine. On the other hand, many, including the owner of this site, exhibit a sort of disdain for the lighter and older machines. This is fine also. But discussion of machines such as South Bends and Logans are still permitted because these machines were, and still are, PRACTICAL for a given job, and within their capabilities.
As an example: Regal-Beloit, a maker of arbor-style milling cutters and end mills, once had a plant in Mitchell, IN just a few short years ago. In that plant, with all their high-tech 6-axis Huffman grinders, sat two Logan 820's in the corner. Why? Because they were the berries for center drilling blanks.
And they drilled, and drilled, and drilled, till the company blew the plant down.
A Craftsman would never stand up to such rigors, but a lowly POS Logan would.
You see, this collection of forums is based on industrial machines and equipment, not hobby stuff. Logan, which was decidedly near the bottom in regards to quality, was and probably still is, used in industrial settings. Craftsman, as far as I know, never was, and never will be.
Do yourself a favor, and invest in some small antique lathe like another poster suggested. Go ahead and keep the Craftsman if you wish to preserve that part of American history. But if you wish to do some serious gunsmithing, get another lathe.
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I think Larry remembers what it was to start out without a silver spoon in his mouth.
Maybe I've been hanging around the wrong place, only German machinery I can afford are Mausers.
I have a 6'x18' Sears Companion like NIB, 10'x24' Atlas, SB 8'junoir(24'c), K&T and USMT manual hor mills, and watchmakers lathes.
I've bought parts and machines from members on this site, and from places that advertise here.
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I have a friend that uses a 109 for model train locomotive repair. Works very well for his use, but we did have to make him a new spindle. They would make a good kid's toy to plant the seed of mechanical intuition, but pretty much useless as a machine tool. As mentioned before, the 6' Crafstman/Atlas is a far better machine in this category and only a few bucks more.
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Many years ago, an older friend who owned a large, beautiful Lodge and Shipley told me 'If you're going to get a lathe, get a BIG one. They're usually cheap because industry doesn't want them and they're too big for the hobby crowd. You can always machine small parts on a big lathe but it's hard to machine big parts on a small lathe'. I got this lecture as he was removing a replacement crank shaft for his 1916 Moon touring car, cut from a solid stainless billet.
Did I listen? No..found a 109 and bought it because it was 'cute'. It WAS an introduction to basic machining, until I tried to use the planetary gear setup and found that the previous owner had crashed the Zamak gears. Not long after, I found a 13' South Bend and never looked back, always moving to a larger more capable machine. I should have listened to the old man in the first place. Would have saved a lot of time and money.
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Maybe I should keep my mouth shut, But I have 4 of the 109s and for what they are there ok.
Theres a lot of mods that can be done to these if you check around like here.Welcome to Home Shop Supply
All that being said I also have 2 K&T Milwaukee mills 1 vertical and a Horizontal. A Brown & Sharpe 2A Universal Mill with the Vertical Head.
A 10' clausing a 13' South Bend and a 20 X 60 ATW Lathe. 3 Camel Back Drill presses. Plus other machines and Accessories.
I'm just trying preserve that little part of American history.
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Living in an apartment, what else ya gonna run? Look close behind the
wreck in the front, and you will see..
http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/pw_lathe_B4.jpg
The AA lathe was also a wreck and I needed a project. Strip it down,
repaint, replace the spindle bearings and make a larger spindle. Re-work
the crazy halfnuts setup and put an honest crossfeed screw on it. Made
a tiny lantern toolpost to fit, and then sold the machine to a man who
actually used it for its intended purpose.
These machines still sell for much more than they are worth. Because
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L. Vance,
My experience with a 109 as a young teenager exactly matches yours. Sears probably made more money selling spindles than they did on the lathes.- Titanium
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A 6' Atlas. Much better machine, only marginally bigger, and doesn't cost much more to buy one than a 109.
With the availability of 6' Atlas lathes, I'm not sure why anyone would bother with a 109, unless it was just for the exercise of fixing it up 'because it's there'.
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I've seen those cute little toy lathes, but never have used one. Could they have been the cheapest possible 'lathe' which could be used to take a cleanup cut on automotive starter and generator commutators?
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Carla, you'd never get a starter or generator commutator in the thing. It might swing it, but I don't think it's long enough.
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I had one. The quality of the castings was not too bad, but the ergonomics stunk and the un-dialable compound was a nuisance. I never bent the spindle, but never pushed it very hard. Maintaining any kind of precision and keeping the gibs right consumed about half of the time taken in actually using it. It's better than nothing at all, but that's about it. In this case I think the bias is based on experience.
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Please CLOSE this thing..
Those LOOK like but don't PERFORM like an actual lathe,..
AND they are a prohibited subject anyhow.. Atlas are tons better and THEY are prohibited too.
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